.Andrei Pivovarov was among the 16 prisoners without Russia in last week's primary captive substitution between Moscow and also the West.The famous opposition protestor, 42, was managed a Warsaw-bound airplane through Russian protection services in 2021 after the pro-democracy team Open Russia, which he headed, was actually prohibited as " undesirable." He was actually sentenced to 4 years behind bars in 2022 for his work with the team.The Moscow Moments spoke to Pivovarov about the swap as well as his prepare for the future:.MT: Just how performed you feel when you were being actually needed to the airport? Performed you recognize that it was an exchange?AP: Due to the time our team reached the airport, it was actually very clear that our team were being actually required to an exchange, but our experts really did not recognize where.I reckon I completely knew the extremely reality of what was actually occurring when I was actually being extracted from the nest on Saturday early morning. It was actually the 25th [of July] I understood that something remarkable was happening since I was picked up by the head of the nest and also he personally helped me carry my traits. Yet there were no specifics.You tend to suppose the most awful in any uncertain circumstance. I possessed all sorts of thought and feelings. Yet there was actually a minute when I was delivered-- I had to authorize for a dry out supply. And I find a label on the previous line: Alexandra Skochilenko. And also I make sure that if Sasha as well as I are actually with each other, it is actually barely a poor story.I thought that it would resemble in the flicks-- an arena where our experts are pardoned due to the tsar and also released before the RT cameras. The second option was actually a model of the philosophers' plane, which however turned out to be more real in lifestyle.But every thing was hidden till the actual conclusion. When we were given Lefortovo [Prison, prior to the swap], our company remained in seclusion as well as could certainly not get in touch with anybody.On Thursday early morning they delivered our company a release certification without any order amount, nothing. Our company possessed half a hr to pack, our experts carried our traits.There were folks in masks and also uniforms along with our company. If any one of our company withstood and also declined to be expelled, their task was to put our company on the aircraft whatsoever. They clearly told our company that subsequently.The 1st individual I saw on the bus was actually [Ilya] Yashin. It was certainly great to observe him. There were familiar as well as unfamiliar faces afterwards, but individually, I was incredibly stressed whether Volodya Kara-Murza will exist. He was just one of the final to become produced, which was actually a huge relief, given that he possesses the longest paragraph.Perform anonymous lobbied for your introduction in the checklist?Exactly how the listings were formed is actually a puzzle to me. I haven't managed to speak with all my coworkers yet. Coming from my understanding, there were different teams from which relevant information was actually compiled and the final checklist was actually considerably bigger than what you have observed. As well as it was shortened by Russia. When all the dreams were picked up and also communicated as well as kind of agreed upon, far fewer people were actually eventually discharged.You were actually supposed to become released in a month ...This is one of one of the most tough traits for me. If you take a look at my unlawful claim, the duration that I had left behind [to serve] may certainly not be matched up to the terms of the others [political captives]I can easily state that I have information from several sources that the possibility of my release [by the end of my paragraph] was not assured. That's why I ended up on the list. We've found examples where people were apprehended on their way out of the colony due to the fact that some new illegal scenarios levelled. As well as sadly, there were actually telephone calls that pointed out that in my instance, the result could certainly not be actually the greatest.What are your strategies currently? Perform you understand what you will perform in the near future?I am actually right now a person without any documents and also no feeling of home. I was given out a Russian inner travel permit and also I have pair of papers-- one replaces my [international passport] and also the second substitutes my visa. As it was actually discussed to me, these documents allow me to keep in Germany for 15 times-- primarily in Germany, certainly not in the EU. It's tough to create serious plannings. Therefore originally, of course, I would love to handle the domestic parts.And then-- I have actually been actually doing social as well as political work for 15-20 years. My remain in jail carried out certainly not repel me from it, however on the contrary inspired me even more. I have some suggestions, as I had opportunity to assume as well as reflect [in prison]And also the main objective here, most likely, is to attempt to speak extra with those that stayed inside [Russia] To try to use a plan to deal with those that may not be our promoters, but who are actually disheartened with what is actually happening. If our team can easily provide [individuals in Russia] the chance to show on their own without putting on their own at serious threat, I presume that's what an autonomous power needs to do.